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Yeshua in Torah or well known as the Old Testament.

 

Yeshua is seen all through Torah and in the tenach as well. There is a person called the Messenger of YHWH, hes the one in the burning bush speaking to Moishe...

 

Yeshua is the messenger of YHWH. Hes a Malech (Messenger).

 

A messenger can be a man, a cherub (angel), and there is also "The Messenger" of YHWH (Yeshua, the Word). Not every cherub has to be a Malech.

 

Exo 23:20,“I am sending a messenger ahead of you to guard you on the way and bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him, listen to what he says and do not rebel against him; because he will not forgive any wrongdoing of yours, since my name resides in him.

 

Who has the authority to forgive sins? "The messenger" of YHWH has to be pretty powerful to forgive sins. The son of man has authority to forgive sins. This messenger is not a cherub or a regular servant.

 

In Zachariah hes also called YHWH's associate.

 

Zachariah 13: 7 O sword, awake against My Shepherd, and against the Mighty Warrior who is My Associate, says YAHWEH of Hosts.

 

"The Messenger of YHWH is also called YHWH 58 times. The father is called Yah YHWH and The Messenger of YHWH (the Messiah) is called Yeshua YHWH, I think about 100 times.

 

In Beresheit (Gen) 18 YHWH appeared to Avraham by the oaks of Mamre as he sat at the entrance to the tent during the heat of the day. 2 He raised his eyes and looked, and there in front of him stood three men. On seeing them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, prostrated himself on the ground, 3 and said, YHWH, if I have found favor in your sight, please don’t leave your servant."

 

One of these 3 men is called YHWH. He came in the form of a man.. In John, it says no man has seen the Father... When you realize YHWH is a family name, it resolves alot of problems on how to view this.

 

Beresheit (Gen) 19:23 By the time Lot had come to Tzo‘ar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 And YAHWEH (on earth) rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, from YAHWEH out of the heavens.

 

Clearly there are two YHWH's in this last verse.... one on the land and one in the sky...

 

Another scripture that Elohim can appear as a man...

 

Beresheit (Gen) 32: 23 He got up that night, took his two wives, his two slave-girls, and his eleven children, and forded the Yabok. 24 (23) He took them and sent them across the stream, then sent his possessions across; 25 (24) and Ya‘akov was left alone. Then some man wrestled with him until daybreak. 26 (25) When he saw that he did not defeat Ya‘akov, he struck Ya‘akov’s hip socket, so that his hip was dislocated while wrestling with him. 27 (26) The man said, “Let me go, because it’s daybreak.” But Ya‘akov replied, “I won’t let you go unless you bless me.” 28 (27) The man asked, “What is your name?” and he answered, “Ya‘akov.” 29 (28) Then the man said, “From now on, you will no longer be called Ya‘akov, but Isra’el; because you have shown your strength to both Elohim and men and have prevailed.” 30 (29) Ya‘akov asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he answered, “Why are you asking about my name?” and blessed him there. (iii) 31 (30) Ya‘akov called the place P’ni-El [face of Elohim], “Because I have seen Elohim face to face, yet my life is spared.

 

Also in Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has cupped the wind in the palms of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know!

 

So what is his name?? :)

 

 A Psalm of David. 110:1 A declaration of YAHWEH to my Adonai: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

 

Yahweh is the Father, and Him only, besides Him there is no other, He is the only source of power, He will not give His glory to another, He is a jealous Father (Isa. 42:8,43:10-11,44:6,45:5-6,18, 46:9,48:11, Ex.34:14,20:5).

 

I have personally witnessed a messianic congregation say they worship Yeshua and that the Father ceased to exist after he came... but Yeshua himself said to pray to the Father... calling on Yeshua as Salvation, but we are not to pray to him.

 

Matt 6:9 9 So, then, you should pray this way, Our Father who is in Heaven, Set Apart be Your name.

 

In all of the references in the Renewed Testament, Yeshua always prays to the Father, gives glorification to the Father, asks others to pray to the Father and came to reveal the Fathers name.

 

Yochanan (John) 17:1 Yahshua spoke these things and lifted up His eyes to Heaven, and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may also glorify You, 2 as You gave to Him authority over all flesh, so that to all which You gave to Him, He may give to them everlasting life. 3 And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the Elohim of truth, and Yahshua Messiah, whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I finished the work that You gave Me to do. 5 And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the existence of the world. 6 I revealed Your name to the men whom You gave to Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me; and they have kept Your Word.

 

Some say Yeshua is the Father Yahweh in the flesh but this can not be so.  In Genesis and in John we have confirmation that Yeshua was with Yahweh from the beginning and that everything existed thru his hands.

 

Beresheit (Gen) 1:26 And Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.

 

Yochanan (John) 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim.
2 He was in the beginning with Elohim. 3 Everything existed through His hands, and without Him, not even one
thing existed of the things, which have existed. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men; 5 and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it.

 

When Yeshua was here in the flesh, was he praying to himself? No, certaintly not, He was praying to the Father as he stated so many times. Yeshua said to not touch him, for he had not yet ascended to His Father. Yeshua said he was about his Father's affairs. He prayed so fervently to the Father once, that his sweat was so thick it was though it were blood falling down to the earth.

 

Yochanan (John) 20:16 Yahshua said to her, Mariam! Turning around, she said to Him, Rabboni! (that is to say, My Great One). 17 Yahshua said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My Elohim, and your Elohim.

 

Luke 2:49 And He said to them, Why did you look for me? Did you not know that I must be busy in the affairs of My Father?

 

Luke 22:41 And He was withdrawn from them, about a stone's throw. And having placed the knees, He prayed, 42 saying, Father, if You purpose it, take away this cup from Me; but not My will be done, but let Yours be done. 43 And a cherub from Heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. 44 And being in an agony, He prayed more intently. And His sweat became as drops of blood falling down onto the earth.

 

This verse below, Yeshua clearly says, that the Father sent him and gave him the words to say and what he should speak.

 

Yochanan 12: 44 But Yahshua cried out and said, The one believing into Me does not believe into Me, but into the One sending Me. 45 And the one seeing Me sees the One who sent Me. 46 I have come as a Light to the world, that everyone who believes into Me may not remain in the darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
48 The one who rejects Me and does not receive My Words has that judging him: the Word which I spoke, that will
judge him in the last Day. 49 For I did not speak from Myself, but He who sent Me, the Father, He has given Me command, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandments are eternal life. Then what things I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.

Here Yeshua speaks of the concept of Echad (One) since Him and the Father are united and in harmony, but still identifying that no one goes to the Father except thru Him. Same concept of a husband and wife, they are Echad (one), not the same person, but living life in harmony and in agreement with each other and living as one.

 

Yochanan 14: 1 Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in YAHWEH, and believe in Me. 2 There are many rooms in my Father's house, and if not I would have told you so. For I go to prepare a place for you.

;5 Thomas said to Him, Our Master, we do not know where You go, and how can we know the way? 6 Yahshua said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you do know Him, and have seen Him.

 

Something to think about is the following, in Ezekiel 11: 23 And the glory of YAHWEH went up from the midst of the city and stood on the mountain which is on the east of the city.

 

YHWH's presence left the temple and as far as we know he has not returned to the Holy of Holy's. So who has apparently in the temple during Yeshuas time? Who made the earthquake happen when Yeshuas died on the stake?

 

We see here that Yahweh is a family name, there is Yah Yahweh the Father and Yeshua Yahweh the son who came to forgive our sins. They can not be the same "person". They are united together and Yahweh the Father gave authority to his right hand and they are in agreement with each other. Yeshua is the Elohim speaking in Torah. For no man has seen the Father.

 

Yochanan 1:17 For the Torah was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Yahshua Messiah. 18 No one has seen YAHWEH at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him.

 

Yochanan 5: 37 And the Father, the One sending Me, has Himself borne witness concerning Me. You have neither
heard His voice at any time, nor have you seen His appearance.